Visible Random Grouping was another thing I’d been intrigued about since a little before I went to a PCMI-TLP Weekend session last year. I really like the idea of visible random grouping – you show the students that you’re giving them random seating, they see that nobody has a label in the classroom and everyone can work with everyone.

My first week of school I tried this. It did not go well. Not because of the random grouping part – that’s actually great. It was more the method. I was using the Super Teacher Tools Group Maker and it was just so hard for students to know which seat is actually theirs. But then my biggest issue is the kids that need to be up close because they can’t see or different requirements from 504 plans. So then I tried the notecards with the names and tried to keep the ones on the bottom that had to be in certain spots. But then it just took too long if I did it in front of them, and if I did it before they walked in they would just change the cards to sit wherever they want. I also just couldn’t really get the special seating stuff to work right.

Then I had a conversation with Joel about a Random Seating Chart with Excel and it changed my world.

As requested by @viemath @stoodle with sample names inspired by @JustinAion #MTBoS

Random Seating Chart w/ Excel https://t.co/ZlKTi8wD9g— Joel Bezaire (@joelbezaire) August 24, 2016

I basically do the same as him, except I made a few students have the formula =rand()+randbetween(1,4) so that it kinda keeps them from being too far away (it’s not perfect, but it’s helpful). I showed the students at the beginning how it worked and told them that I take the first one that comes up as long as people who need to be in certain desks are in them. The kids were satisfied with that.

(I hide the columns that have the random numbers before I print them out)

This was my very rough draft of where the numbers had to go to make the numbers work for all my class numbers and my classroom, and ended up being used all semester by the other teacher that is in my room to get the desks in the right spot after his class. Next semester my numbers will be different, so I might be able to switch things up based on how many students need to be in certain seats. Joel and also helped me with my desk arrangement so that the desks are pinwheeled.

I just have to print out the seat numbers every Monday morning and the kids find their seat for the week. It’s pretty nice. Students (mostly) all knew each other’s names by the end of the quarter because they’d sat with almost everyone. Kids actually worked together. There really weren’t ever moments where the students felt like they were part of the “smart group” or “slow group”- the whole breaking down barriers actually happened! Some kids did indicate on their end-of-semester survey that they thought it was annoying to have to move every week and to maybe make it less often, but this seemed to be more of a laziness issue. It was nice that when some students griped about their seat on Monday, I (or another student) could say, “Well it’s only for five days.” Overall, Visible Random Grouping is a big plus for my class.

But of course I just can’t be fully satisfied. Here are things I still need to figure out:

**Is there a better way to get kids to be in certain seats to be in those seats?**I’d love to not feel like I was cheating when I have to redo it. I was also thinking that I’d also like to show them the process on Fridays, maybe. I might have to do some Google Sheet extension searching.**How do I get it so that kids don’t just move to where they want in the middle of the week?**I think this is an issue with me more than anything – I need to be more diligent about noting where students are supposed to sit for the week. I never really wrote it down, and I never really fully memorized where everyone should have been. I really don’t want to have to come up with consequences for not sitting in their seats, especially because it was only a few frequent flyers that did this. The worst were the kids that removed the stickers from the desks that had the numbers while I was giving high fives in the hallway.**How do I get students to not mess with the stickers (meaning post-its with tape over them)???**I actually only replaces the stickers twice over the semester but I had to do a few more touch ups to numbers.**Is weekly the way to go?**I don’t have a real reason for weekly other than the fact that 5 days seems pretty manageable if you’re in a seat that is not ideal for you.**How do I get it so that students actually know who they’re sitting with before Wednesday or even Thursday?**With the amount of absences I have, there are usually one or two kids that even are coming in Wednesday for the first time and finding their seat. And that could sometime kind of kill the whole group vibe. It also pretty much makes it so that I have to do my absent student sheets, and next semester I’m going to try to actually get the students to do them again.

I feel like my posts are seeming more and more needy and ask-for-help-y, but your comments have been gold, so I’m not gonna stop. Sorry not sorry.

Le groupement aléatoire vraiment améliore ma classe.

Hi!

I don’t have answers for you, but I have been doing vrg since the second day. I do it every day, unless they are doing a multi day group project. I use popsicle sticks and when about half the students have entered the classroom I start passing them out. I just read off the names of the 4 or 5 students that will sit at the group and let them figure out the arrangement. I leave the sticks there until class has started. Sometimes I do tweak it as I am passing them out, but not much. My classroom is fairly small with 28-35 students smooshed together, so I don’t think there is really any bad seat, and if there is, it is just for one day.

At the beginning of the year I tried to balance boy girl, but I felt like it shouldn’t be such a chore, so random it is!

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I like the simplicity of this. How much time does that usually take? I was just thinking about just saying groups next semester and let them do the arrangement within the group.

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